{"id":11,"date":"2002-01-11T18:52:09","date_gmt":"2002-01-11T16:52:09","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.lesba.sk\/atribut\/?p=11"},"modified":"2015-06-11T18:56:31","modified_gmt":"2015-06-11T16:56:31","slug":"zuzana-szatmary-na-velke-ciny-si-treba-vzdy-otocit-dalekohlad","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.lesba.sk\/atribut\/2002\/01\/11\/zuzana-szatmary-na-velke-ciny-si-treba-vzdy-otocit-dalekohlad\/","title":{"rendered":"Zuzana Szatm\u00e1ry: \u201cNa ve\u013ek\u00e9 \u010diny si treba v\u017edy oto\u010di\u0165 \u010falekoh\u013ead.\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"<div><strong>Pani Szatm\u00e1ry, mohli by ste n\u00e1m porozpr\u00e1va\u0165 nie\u010do o sebe a nad\u00e1cii, v ktorej p\u00f4sob\u00edte? Zauj\u00edmalo by ma va\u0161e rodinn\u00e9 pozadie a jeho s\u00favislos\u0165 s va\u0161ou citlivos\u0165ou na \u013eudsk\u00e9 pr\u00e1va, preto\u017ee Nad\u00e1cia Charty 77 a va\u0161a pr\u00e1ca v nej je orientovan\u00e1 pr\u00e1ve na ne.<\/strong><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Rodina mal\u00e1. \u017diadna. V\u0161etci vyleteli hore kom\u00ednom, boli vystrie\u013ean\u00ed alebo sp\u00e1len\u00ed. Otec a mama pre\u017eili n\u00e1hodou. V koncentra\u010dnom t\u00e1bore Nov\u00e1ky bolo siln\u00e9 podzemn\u00e9 hnutie, ktor\u00e9 fungovalo aj za pomoci miestnych ileg\u00e1lnych komunistov. Ke\u010f pri\u0161lo Slovensk\u00e9 n\u00e1rodn\u00e9 povstanie v roku 1944, boli v t\u00e1bore zbrane. Nezab\u00fadajme, \u017ee z Nov\u00e1kov i\u0161li transporty do Po\u013eska. T\u00ed, ktor\u00ed zbrane zhroma\u017e\u010fovali, prevzali v t\u00e1bore moc a odi\u0161li do povstania. V hist\u00f3rii antinacistick\u00e9ho odboja vznikla unik\u00e1tna \u017eidovsk\u00e1 vojensk\u00e1 jednotka. Velite\u013eom bol m\u00f4j otec. Mamu nezobral. Povedal, \u017ee \u017eeny do oddielu neber\u00fa.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><strong>\u010co by ste vy na to dnes povedali?<\/strong><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>By\u0165 n\u00edm alebo sebou a bra\u0165 moju mamu do oddielu, tie\u017e by som povedala, \u017ee \u017eeny neberieme. Mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee otec to zov\u0161eobecnil najm\u00e4 preto, aby tam ne\u0161la pr\u00e1ve ona. U\u017e sa ho nem\u00f4\u017eeme na to sp\u00fdta\u0165. Ale ako ho pozn\u00e1m, mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee to bolo asi takto. Mama potom robila u Rusov na partiz\u00e1nskom \u0161t\u00e1be, kde sa vyd\u00e1vali noviny. Musela by\u0165 preoble\u010den\u00e1 za chlapca.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><strong>To bolo kedy?<\/strong><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Po\u010das povstania. \u017dien bolo m\u00e1lo a sovietskych, slovensk\u00fdch a \u010fal\u0161\u00edch uch\u00e1dza\u010dov o ne bolo aj napriek povstaniu mnoho. Narodila som sa v \u0161tyridsiatom siedmom. Moji rodi\u010dia, ktor\u00ed t\u00e1bor i povstanie pre\u017eili, pri\u0161li kompletne o v\u0161etk\u00fdch a odi\u0161li do Bratislavy. Mama \u0161tudovala herectvo a otec bol novin\u00e1r. Predpoklad vn\u00edmania \u013eudsk\u00fdch pr\u00e1v je v takomto rodinnom prostred\u00ed asi celkom logick\u00fd. \u010clovek v tom vyrast\u00e1, to po prv\u00e9 a po druh\u00e9, je logick\u00e9, a mnoh\u00ed sa tomu dodnes \u010duduj\u00fa, \u017ee t\u00ed, ktor\u00ed pre\u017eili a hlavne t\u00ed, ktor\u00ed bojovali, sa \u0165a\u017eko zbavovali my\u0161lienky, \u017ee neby\u0165 \u010cervenej arm\u00e1dy a neby\u0165 Sovietskeho zv\u00e4zu, asi by nepre\u017eili. M\u00f4j otec bol preto od roku 1938 \u010dlenom Komunistickej strany. Bol e\u0161te mlad\u00fd chlapec a po vojne si samozrejme myslel, \u017ee kone\u010dne nastane raj na zemi. Ke\u010f vyrast\u00e1te v takomto prostred\u00ed, tak v\u00e1m nie v\u017edy doch\u00e1dza to, \u010do sa nau\u010d\u00ed \u010dlovek a\u017e nesk\u00f4r \u2013 \u017ee na ve\u013ek\u00e9 slov\u00e1 a na ve\u013ek\u00e9 \u010diny si treba v\u017edy oto\u010di\u0165 \u010falekoh\u013ead, aby ste ich dostali do spr\u00e1vnych rozmerov. To sa \u010dlovek \u010dasom nau\u010d\u00ed. Najprv sa to musel nau\u010di\u0165 otec. Mamu vy\u0161tvali z divadla za to, \u017ee tam \u00fadajne zan\u00e1\u0161a in\u00fa kult\u00faru. Vyhodili ju z Novej sc\u00e9ny skuto\u010dne z antisemitsk\u00fdch d\u00f4vodov. A otec ako novin\u00e1r, intelektu\u00e1l \u2013 tie\u017e obvykl\u00fd v\u00fdvoj.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><strong>\u010ci\u017ee po roku 1968 va\u0161a rodina za\u017eila sklamanie z povojnov\u00e9ho v\u00fdvoja tak, ako mnoh\u00ed \u010fal\u0161\u00ed, najm\u00e4 intelektu\u00e1li&#8230;<\/strong><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Samozrejme, ale chcem, aby bolo jasn\u00e9, \u017ee na jednej strane je \u0161\u0165astie, \u017ee \u010dlovek sa narodil v takej dobe, preto\u017ee to minul\u00e9 polstoro\u010die obsiahlo v sebe to\u013eko kvalitat\u00edvne in\u00fdch obdob\u00ed&#8230; Za\u017eila som absol\u00fatnu diktat\u00faru, bola som prv\u00e1\u010dka v p\u00e4\u0165desiatom tre\u0165om roku a bola som zap\u00e1len\u00e1 pionierka a timurovka. Dobr\u00ed pionieri a dobr\u00ed timurovci musia z\u00e1konite narazi\u0165. Hl\u00e1sate spravodlivos\u0165, ako to p\u00ed\u0161u v rom\u00e1noch a hne\u010f v\u00e1m za to niekto tresne. Dobr\u00fd tr\u00e9ning. No a potom \u010fal\u0161ie \u0161\u0165astie \u2013 z\u00e1zra\u010dn\u00e9 \u0161es\u0165desiate roky&#8230; A op\u00e4\u0165: dne\u0161n\u00e1 doba je zase zauj\u00edmav\u00e1 a vzru\u0161uj\u00faca. \u201cZlomov\u00e9\u201d \u0161es\u0165desiate roky som nevn\u00edmala ako zlom. Prirodzene, zmenila som sa na hip\u00e1tko a u\u017e\u00edvala som si. Bratislava bola na tie \u010dasy ve\u013emi akt\u00edvna, pokia\u013e ide o intelektu\u00e1lnu a sexu\u00e1lnu slobodu a o sexu\u00e1lnu anarchiu.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><strong>Poznali ste v tom \u010dase u\u017e nejak\u00fdch homosexu\u00e1lov, stretli ste sa s t\u00fdmto pojmom? Ako sa vtedy vn\u00edmala homosexualita?<\/strong><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Ja asi nebudem meradlom, preto\u017ee t\u00fdm, \u017ee som pri mame vyrastala v divadelnom prostred\u00ed, bolo to pre m\u0148a norm\u00e1lne. Pohybovala som sa v uzavretom prostred\u00ed, kde pre m\u0148a akoby prirodzene existovali aj homosexu\u00e1li. Vedela som ale aj to, \u017ee tam vonku, tam m\u00e1m by\u0165 ticho. Mama v\u017edy hovorila, vlastne asi aj m\u0148a ste po\u010duli x-kr\u00e1t poveda\u0165, \u017ee jej najlep\u0161\u00edmi priate\u013emi boli v\u017edy homosexu\u00e1li, lebo jej nez\u00e1videli ako \u017eeny a s \u0148ou si boli skuto\u010dne ve\u013emi bl\u00edzki.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><strong>Vr\u00e1tim sa predsa len e\u0161te na chv\u00ed\u013eu sp\u00e4\u0165. Zauj\u00edma ma spojitos\u0165 Nad\u00e1cie Charty 77 s \u010deskou Chartou 77.<\/strong><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Teraz bolo dvadsiate piate v\u00fdro\u010die vzniku Charty 77, tak\u017ee som nad t\u00fdm musela ve\u013ea prem\u00fd\u0161\u013ea\u0165 a musela som si mnoho vec\u00ed ozrejmi\u0165. Chodil k n\u00e1m m\u00f4j kamar\u00e1t, filozof Ev\u017een Brikcius z Prahy, ktor\u00fd mal r\u00e1d Zbrojno\u0161a (\u0161t\u00fdlov\u00e1 pivni\u010dn\u00e1 vin\u00e1re\u0148 v centre Bratislavy, pozn. red.), kde boli ve\u013ek\u00e9 sudy. Hovoril: \u201cV\u00ed\u0161, to je tak kr\u00e1sn\u00fd, kdy\u017e v ruce v\u00edno a na z\u00e1dech to v\u00edno c\u00edt\u00ed\u0161 taky. Jsi cel\u00e1 ve v\u00ednu. To v\u00ed\u0161, to u n\u00e1s nen\u00ed.\u201d Spal u n\u00e1s a hovoril, \u017ee m\u00e1 \u201ctady n\u011bjak\u00fd pap\u00edry\u201d, ale \u017ee ich tu nenech\u00e1, lebo nechce pr\u00eds\u0165 o v\u00ednne sudy. A \u017ee ide kv\u00f4li \u010domusi za Dub\u010dekom&#8230; \u010clovek sa nep\u00fdtal viac, ne\u017e bolo nutn\u00e9. Po troch d\u0148och odi\u0161iel. Na pol\u00edciu zobrali nejak\u00e9 moje kamar\u00e1tky, ktor\u00e9 ni\u010d nevedeli, m\u0148a, ktor\u00e1 som taktie\u017e ni\u010d nevedela. Pri\u0161la kamar\u00e1tka a hovor\u00ed: \u201cPo\u010d\u00favaj, p\u00fdtali sa ma na nejak\u00e9 karty.\u201d Slovensko bolo inde. Disidentov, ktor\u00ed boli na Slovensku a vedeli o Charte 77, bolo len zop\u00e1r, a aj t\u00ed boli v\u00e4\u010d\u0161inou vo v\u00fdrobe \u2013 Kalisk\u00fd, Kus\u00fd, \u0160ime\u010dka&#8230; M\u00f4j otec v Slovnafte natieral z\u00e1bradlie. Intelektu\u00e1lne n\u00e1h\u013eady boli u slovensk\u00fdch intelektu\u00e1lov in\u00e9, aj normaliz\u00e1cia bola na Slovensku ist\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom \u201cm\u00e4k\u0161ia\u201d. Pam\u00e4t\u00e1m sa, \u017ee u\u017e vtedy mi otec hovoril: \u201cRaz som do nie\u010doho vst\u00fapil a o\u013eutoval som to na cel\u00fd \u017eivot.\u201d A tie\u017e hovorieval kr\u00e1snu vetu: \u201cAle sme my komunisti vydrbali so mnou&#8230;.\u201d M\u00f4j otec nepodp\u00edsal Chartu aj preto, \u017ee sa nevedel \u00faprimne identifikova\u0165 s katol\u00edckym disentom. Ako pre\u017eiv\u0161\u00ed bojuj\u00faci \u017did mal n\u00e1mietky vo\u010di tomu, \u010do hl\u00e1sali katol\u00edci. K Nad\u00e1cii Charty 77 som sa dostala cez otca a Milana \u0160ime\u010dku asi aj preto, lebo som mala v Chempiku, kde som pracovala, pr\u00edstup ku kop\u00edrke, \u010do bola vtedy mimoriadne d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e1 technika. Navy\u0161e som vedela zaklada\u0165 spisy a robi\u0165 z\u00e1pisy, jednoducho dr\u017ea\u0165 veci v poriadku. Nad\u00e1cia Charty 77 vznikla v roku 1978 vo \u0160v\u00e9dsku a zalo\u017eil ju profesor fyziky Franti\u0161ek Janouch. Najv\u00e4\u010d\u0161\u00ed sponzor bol u\u017e vtedy zn\u00e1my finan\u010dn\u00edk George Soros. Nad\u00e1cia sa r\u00f4znymi cestami sna\u017eila pom\u00e1ha\u0165 hlavne rodin\u00e1m disidentov. Nesk\u00f4r, doslova p\u00e1r dn\u00ed po 17. novembri 1989 bol Franta Janouch v \u010ceskoslovensku a okam\u017eite e\u0161te na feder\u00e1lnej \u00farovni \u0161v\u00e9dsku nad\u00e1ciu zaregistroval u n\u00e1s.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><strong>\u010co je poslan\u00edm Nad\u00e1cie Charty 77 dnes?<\/strong><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Vlastne sa ni\u010d nezmenilo. Teda nezmenilo a zmenilo. Ob\u010dianske hnutie Charta 77 po\u017eadovalo, aby \u010deskoslovensk\u00fd \u0161t\u00e1t dodr\u017eiaval ratifikovan\u00e9 dohody o \u013eudsk\u00fdch pr\u00e1vach. I\u0161lo vtedy o helsinsk\u00fd dohovor, ktor\u00fd \u010ceskoslovensko podp\u00edsalo. Vlastne ni\u010d viac a ni\u010d menej. I\u0161lo len o dodr\u017eiavanie dohovorov a doh\u00f4d o \u013eudsk\u00fdch pr\u00e1vach, ktor\u00e9 \u0161t\u00e1t podp\u00edsal, respekt\u00edve o kontrolu \u010di tlak na dodr\u017eiavanie tak\u00fdchto dohovorov. My rob\u00edme \u010falej to ist\u00e9. \u017diadame, aby \u0161t\u00e1t dodr\u017eiaval \u00fastavu, z\u00e1kony a medzin\u00e1rodn\u00e9 dohovory a aby sa aplikovali a\u017e na toho \u201cnajposlednej\u0161ieho\u201d ob\u010dana, na v\u0161etk\u00fdch \u00farovniach verejnej spr\u00e1vy, s ktor\u00fdmi ob\u010dan prich\u00e1dza do styku. To je jedna vec. Druh\u00e1 vec je snaha, aby z\u00e1kony, ktor\u00e9 sa prij\u00edmaj\u00fa, u\u017e boli pripravovan\u00e9 tak, aby sa zoh\u013ead\u0148ovalo to, \u010do hovor\u00ed na\u0161a \u00fastava. Ak je legislat\u00edva zl\u00e1, sna\u017e\u00edme sa d\u00e1va\u0165 n\u00e1vrhy na zmeny. Z\u00e1rove\u0148 fungujeme ako bezplatn\u00e1 pr\u00e1vna ob\u010dianska kancel\u00e1ria, ktor\u00fa m\u00f4\u017ee nav\u0161t\u00edvi\u0165 ka\u017ed\u00fd ob\u010dan. Dostane sa mu v\u0161etko potrebn\u00e9 od pr\u00e1vnej rady a\u017e po podanie na \u00dastavn\u00fd s\u00fad a zastupovanie v \u0160trasburgu.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><strong>Svoj\u00edm sp\u00f4sobom ste cel\u00e9 to obdobie suplovali ombudsmana&#8230;<\/strong><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>\u00c1no. Je to tak. Ke\u010f som bola v \u00farade ombudsmana v Po\u013esku, Izraeli \u010di vo \u0160v\u00e9dsku, zistila som, \u017ee rob\u00edme takmer to ist\u00e9. Dokonca si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee m\u00e1me paradoxne viac mo\u017enost\u00ed ako bude ma\u0165 slovensk\u00fd ombudsman. Chcela som, aby sme mali naozaj siln\u00e9ho ombudsmana, to znamen\u00e1, aby mal ve\u013ek\u00e9 kompetencie. Legislat\u00edvne je to o\u0161etren\u00e9 inak, ako som pova\u017eovala za dobr\u00e9. Podot\u00fdkam, \u017ee ani na ombudsmana ani na nijak\u00fa \u0161t\u00e1tnu funkciu by<\/div>\n<div>som nikdy nea\u0161pirovala.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Ka\u017ed\u00fd sme nejak\u00fd maniak. Som maniak, \u010di sk\u00f4r otrok vlastnej slobody. Zd\u00e1 sa, \u017ee my aj na\u010falej budeme ma\u0165 viac mo\u017enost\u00ed pom\u00e1ha\u0165 \u013eu\u010fom. Ve\u010f kto u\u017e sa dnes zaober\u00e1 oby\u010dajn\u00fdm \u010dlovie\u010dikom? V\u010dera ve\u010der sme tu mali klientku, zr\u00faten\u00fa \u017eenu. O deviatej po pr\u00e1vnych \u00fakonoch sme jej urobili mejkap a len t\u00e1 drobnos\u0165, \u017ee sa jej niekto venoval len tak a ako \u010dloveku, pomohla trochu zv\u00fd\u0161i\u0165 jej sebavedomie a mo\u017eno sta\u010dila v tej chv\u00edli aj na to, aby sa c\u00edtila nielen ako opatren\u00fd klient, ale aj ako pr\u00ed\u0165a\u017eliv\u00e1 \u017eena.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><strong>Po\u010fme na chv\u00ed\u013eu aj k na\u0161im tepl\u00fdm ot\u00e1zkam. Pravdepodobne si odpoviem sama na ot\u00e1zku, ktor\u00fa teraz polo\u017e\u00edm. Hovor\u00edm dopredu nie, ale aj tak sa op\u00fdtam. Rie\u0161ila va\u0161a Charta niekoho, kto pri\u0161iel a povedal: \u201cSom homosexu\u00e1l, m\u00e1m probl\u00e9m kv\u00f4li mojej homosexualite. Potrebujem pr\u00e1vnu pomoc.\u201d?<\/strong><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>V tomto zmysle nie, ale psychologick\u00e9 probl\u00e9my v rodine sme pom\u00e1hali rie\u0161i\u0165. Je smie\u0161ne hovori\u0165, \u017ee homosexu\u00e1lna komunita je rovnorod\u00e1, lebo to by bolo rovnak\u00e9 tvrdenie, ako \u017ee Slov\u00e1ci s\u00fa rovnorod\u00ed. Ak\u00fd p\u00e1n, tak\u00fd kr\u00e1m, ak\u00e1 majorita, tak\u00e1 minorita. Konkr\u00e9tni \u013eudia, s ktor\u00fdmi som sa stretla ja, nemali tak\u00e9 probl\u00e9my v pr\u00e1ci ako v rodine. Nechcem zov\u0161eobec\u0148ova\u0165, ale problematickej\u0161ie sa mi zdaj\u00fa matky. Neviem, \u010di sa nem\u00fdlim. Ve\u013eakr\u00e1t bolo \u013eah\u0161ie prelomi\u0165 alebo zmeni\u0165 postoj u otca, mu\u017ea, ne\u017e u matky. \u013dudia sa \u010dasto boja v\u017eit\u00e9ho stereotypu. Mo\u017eno sa ani tak neboja homosexuality, ako sa boja, \u010do s ich die\u0165a\u0165om bude v tejto spolo\u010dnosti.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><strong>Neboli vami kontaktovan\u00ed rodi\u010dia na\u0161tvan\u00ed, \u017ee sa pletiete do ich s\u00fakromn\u00e9ho \u017eivota, do s\u00fakromn\u00e9ho \u017eivota ich det\u00ed?.<\/strong><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Neboli na\u0161tvan\u00ed. Pr\u00e1ve naopak, aspo\u0148 ja som sa s t\u00fdm nestretla. Mo\u017eno je to poz\u00edciou, ktor\u00fa m\u00e1me. M\u00f4\u017eeme ju vyu\u017ei\u0165 na to, \u017ee uk\u00e1\u017eeme \u013eu\u010fom, ktor\u00ed maj\u00fa strach, \u017ee sa nemusia o svoje deti b\u00e1\u0165, preto\u017ee s\u00fa n\u00e1m platn\u00ed a v\u00e1\u017eime si ich ako priate\u013eov \u010di kolegov&#8230;<\/div>\n<div><strong><br \/>\nVyzer\u00e1 to tak, \u017ee ste nielen pr\u00e1vna porad\u0148a a kozmetick\u00fd sal\u00f3n, ale ob\u010das aj psychologick\u00e1 porad\u0148a:-)<\/strong><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Ve\u013emi \u010dasto.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><strong>Suplujete v\u0161etky poradne, ktor\u00e9 nefunguj\u00fa? U n\u00e1s tak\u00e9to poradne toti\u017e pr\u00edli\u0161 nefunguj\u00fa, a cielene zameran\u00e9 na rie\u0161enie probl\u00e9mov, s\u00favisiacich s homosexualitou \u010di homof\u00f3bnym okol\u00edm u\u017e v\u00f4bec nie. Naviac m\u00e1me sk\u00fasenos\u0165, \u017ee psychol\u00f3govia tak\u00fdto probl\u00e9m sk\u00f4r dotvoria ako vyrie\u0161ia. Nechcem sa nijako dotkn\u00fa\u0165 nieko\u013ek\u00fdch svetl\u00fdch v\u00fdnimiek, ale je ich nepomerne menej, ako tzv. odborn\u00edkov typu doktora Rak\u00fasa, zn\u00e1meho slovensk\u00e9ho \u201clie\u010dite\u013ea\u201d homosexuality&#8230;<\/strong><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Absol\u00fatne s\u00fahlas\u00edm. Dokonca som sa dostala do situ\u00e1cie s lek\u00e1rom, ke\u010f som povedala: \u201cPrep\u00e1\u010dte, ale \u010dasy sovietskej psychiatrie u\u017e aj v Sovietskom zv\u00e4ze pominuli, takto sa s \u013eu\u010fmi nezaobch\u00e1dza.\u201d<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><strong>Mysl\u00edte si, \u017ee homof\u00f3bne, \u010dasto diskrimina\u010dn\u00e9 v\u00fdroky, ktor\u00e9 pravidelne zaznievaj\u00fa z \u00fast najvy\u0161\u0161\u00edch slovensk\u00fdch predstavite\u013eov dok\u00e1\u017eu po\u0161kodi\u0165 myslenie spolo\u010dnosti a z\u00e1konodarcov a\u017e nato\u013eko, \u017ee ich negat\u00edvne ovplyvnia pri rozhodovan\u00ed sa o (ne)prijat\u00ed n\u00e1vrhu z\u00e1kona o \u017eivotnom partnerstve a v spolo\u010denskom nazeran\u00ed na homosexu\u00e1lov?<\/strong><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Naopak. Mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee ich je treba necha\u0165 hovori\u0165, podnecova\u0165 ich k tomu, preto\u017ee nem\u00f4\u017eu hovori\u0165 inak ako primit\u00edvne a hl\u00fapo a \u010d\u00edm primit\u00edvnej\u0161ie a hl\u00fapej\u0161ie bud\u00fa argumentova\u0165, t\u00fdm lep\u0161ie odhalia svoju intoleranciu ku v\u0161etk\u00e9mu, \u010do je in\u00e9.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><strong>Svojou hl\u00fapos\u0165ou a zlobou vlastne diskvalifikuj\u00fa sam\u00fdch seba&#8230;<\/strong><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Samozrejme. To je \u00faplne v poriadku a v\u00f4bec by som sa ich nesna\u017eila uml\u010da\u0165. Mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee katol\u00edcka cirkev by sa mala spr\u00e1va\u0165 a kona\u0165 ako skuto\u010dne spolo\u010denstvo kres\u0165anov a nezab\u00fada\u0165 na l\u00e1sku k bl\u00ed\u017enemu. Ak katol\u00edcka cirkev rob\u00ed politiku a ovplyv\u0148uje negat\u00edvne \u013eudsk\u00e9 a ob\u010dianske pr\u00e1va a slobody, v\u00fdsledok je, ako vieme aj z hist\u00f3rie, \u010dasto zarmucuj\u00faci. Tak\u017ee ich treba necha\u0165, nech hovoria otvorene a nech svoje n\u00e1zory netaja. \u010c\u00edm hor\u0161ie, t\u00fdm pre v\u00e1s z taktick\u00e9ho h\u013eadiska v tomto pr\u00edpade lep\u0161ie.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><strong>Ver\u00edte v nezvratnos\u0165 pohybu v eur\u00f3pskom priestore? Ide mi o ist\u00e9, povedzme \u013eudskopr\u00e1vne hodnoty, ktor\u00e9 sa za\u010d\u00ednaj\u00fa dra\u0165 do popredia vo v\u00fdvoji eur\u00f3pskeho zjednocovania. V Eur\u00f3pskej \u00fanii m\u00e1 v s\u00fa\u010dasnosti vo svojej legislat\u00edve zaveden\u00fd in\u0161tit\u00fat registrovan\u00e9ho partnerstva. Poklad\u00e1te tak\u00fdto v\u00fdvoj za nezvratn\u00fd? Nar\u00e1\u017eam na tridsiate roky, napr\u00edklad v Nemecku, ktor\u00e9 boli ve\u013emi liber\u00e1lne. Berl\u00edn bol ba\u0161tou gejov a lesieb, a potom s n\u00e1stupom fa\u0161izmu nastal tragick\u00fd zvrat&#8230;\u00a0<\/strong><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Nu\u017e&#8230; viera za\u010d\u00edna tam, kde kon\u010dia fakty. Eur\u00f3pa za\u017eila na svojom malom \u00fazem\u00ed aspo\u0148 to\u013eko, \u010do in\u00e9 kontinenty, ale to, \u010do ju odli\u0161uje od in\u00fdch kontinentov u\u017e od d\u00f4b Gr\u00e9kov je mimoriadne siln\u00e1 schopnos\u0165 sebareflexie. Mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee z tejto schopnosti sebareflexie vzniklo to, \u010domu hovor\u00edme spolupr\u00e1ca v Eur\u00f3pe alebo Eur\u00f3pska \u00fania, predt\u00fdm Eur\u00f3pske hospod\u00e1rske spolo\u010denstvo&#8230; Nemysl\u00edm, \u017ee ide o l\u00e1sku k bl\u00ed\u017enemu. Nutnos\u0165 uk\u00e1zala Eur\u00f3panom, \u017ee ak chceme \u017ei\u0165 ako \u013eudia, ned\u00e1 sa ni\u010d robi\u0165, za cenu kompromisu mus\u00edme kooperova\u0165. To je ako v dobrom man\u017eelstve, ako v dobrom spolu\u017eit\u00ed, z nie\u010doho ka\u017ed\u00fd mus\u00ed upusti\u0165&#8230;<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><strong>Smutn\u00e9 na tom je, \u017ee ka\u017ed\u00e1 forma spolupr\u00e1ce a spolo\u010dnej re\u010di vznikne na podklade nejakej tragickej udalosti. V podstate a\u017e 2. svetov\u00e1 vojna prin\u00fatila Eur\u00f3pu za\u010da\u0165 rozm\u00fd\u0161\u013ea\u0165 o nejak\u00fdch spolo\u010dn\u00fdch projektoch a kooperuj\u00facich nadn\u00e1rodn\u00fdch spolo\u010denstv\u00e1c<\/strong>h.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Ale ni\u010d nov\u00e9 pod slnkom. Ke\u010f si otvor\u00edme Bibliu alebo si povieme niektor\u00e9 zo slovensk\u00fdch pr\u00edslov\u00ed, napr\u00edklad \u201cNikto nie je nikdy doma prorokom\u201d&#8230; To len p\u00e1r intelektu\u00e1lov v\u017edy kuvik\u00e1 vopred ako tie kan\u00e1riky, ktor\u00e9 sa pou\u017e\u00edvali v baniach na sk\u00fa\u0161ku, \u010di tam je plyn a ke\u010f im opadla hlavi\u010dka a skapali, utekali v\u0161etci von, vediac, \u017ee je zle.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><strong>Nakoniec pr\u00edklad Iniciat\u00edvy Inakos\u0165 to presne dokladuje. Zdru\u017eenia, ktor\u00e9 sa zaoberali homosexu\u00e1lmi \u010di u\u017e po legislat\u00edvnej \u010di psychologickej alebo \u013eudskopr\u00e1vnej str\u00e1nke existuj\u00fa na Slovensku u\u017e dlh\u00e9 roky. Ale a\u017e diskrimina\u010dn\u00e9 v\u00fdroky J\u00e1na \u010carnogursk\u00e9ho a Alojza Rak\u00fasa na adresu homosexu\u00e1lov na\u0161e zdru\u017eenia zaktivizovali politicky a posunuli v\u00fdvoj a\u017e k tomu, \u017ee pr\u00e1ve v d\u0148och, ke\u010f vyjde toto \u010d\u00edslo Atrib\u00fatu, sa o\u010dak\u00e1va prerokov\u00e1vanie \u201cn\u00e1\u0161ho\u201d z\u00e1kona v N\u00e1rodnej rade Slovenskej republiky. Dovtedy nebola \u0161anca dosta\u0165 sa do parlamentu, preto\u017ee sa ni\u010d neh\u00fdbalo.<\/strong><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Ale to je tie\u017e celkom prirodzen\u00e9. Zlo je v\u017edy akt\u00edvne, dobro je pas\u00edvne. Zlo je usilovn\u00e9, agiln\u00e9. M\u00f4\u017eeme sa op\u00e4\u0165 vr\u00e1ti\u0165 k v\u00fdrokom p\u00e1na doktora Rak\u00fasa a p\u00e1na doktora \u010carnogursk\u00e9ho a \u010fal\u0161\u00edch a \u010fal\u0161\u00edch, to je bohapust\u00e9 zlo. Kto m\u00e1 pr\u00e1vo hovori\u0165 nejakej \u013eudskej bytosti, ak\u00e1 m\u00e1 by\u0165, pokia\u013e na m\u0148a nevytiahla n\u00f4\u017e alebo mi nerob\u00ed nejako inak zle. Ak\u00fdm pr\u00e1vom si niekto osobuje zastupova\u0165 Hospodina. To poklad\u00e1m za r\u00fahanie vo\u010di Bohu, na ktor\u00e9ho sa pr\u00e1ve katol\u00edcka cirkev odvol\u00e1va v\u017edy pod\u013ea potreby a ako sa jej to hod\u00ed. Pre m\u0148a je povy\u0161ovanie sa nad Hospodina najv\u00e4\u010d\u0161\u00ed hriech, ak\u00fd si viem predstavi\u0165. Zlo, ako som u\u017e povedala, je v\u017edy akt\u00edvne. Pre\u010do by som sa mala aktivizova\u0165 v mene homosexu\u00e1lov, s ktor\u00fdmi sa roky priatel\u00edm, ke\u010f sa m\u00e1me spolo\u010dne fajn a je n\u00e1m v\u00fdborne? Preto\u017ee je to dobro, je to pas\u00edvne dobro, pas\u00edvne je n\u00e1m fajn a nem\u00e1me pre\u010do nie\u010do robi\u0165. Ale v momente, ako zlo za\u010dne fungova\u0165, iniciuje n\u00e1s to a za\u010dneme nie\u010do robi\u0165. V\u017edy to tak bolo.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><strong>Neviem, nako\u013eko ste sledovali kroky Iniciat\u00edvy Inakos\u0165, jej kampa\u0148, to, \u017ee sme sa dostali do parlamentu. Predpoklad\u00e1m, \u017ee \u00e1no, ve\u010f Nad\u00e1cia Charty 77 ako \u00faplne prv\u00e1 podporila Chartu Iniciat\u00edvy Inakos\u0165. M\u00e1te nejak\u00fd n\u00e1pad, radu, ako zlep\u0161i\u0165 t\u00fa na\u0161u mrav\u010diu ka\u017edodenn\u00fa pr\u00e1cu, nie\u010do, \u010do si mysl\u00edte, \u017ee sme neurobili a mali alebo mohli urobi\u0165 lep\u0161ie.<\/strong><\/div>\n<div>.<\/div>\n<div>Mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee sa urobilo ve\u013emi ve\u013ea. A mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee sa treba pomeriava\u0165 zmysluplne. Som star\u0161ia ako vy a dobre sa pam\u00e4t\u00e1m, \u010do to bolo len si o niekom \u0161epka\u0165, \u017ee je in\u00fd. Bola to hr\u00f4za. Odvtedy pre\u0161lo len p\u00e1r rokov. Kto by kedy povedal, \u017ee sa bude v parlamente o t\u00fdchto veciach rokova\u0165, kto by kedy veril, \u017ee pokojne m\u00f4\u017eem pr\u00eds\u0165 do spolo\u010dnosti s moj\u00edm \u201ctepl\u00fdm bratom\u201d a poviem: \u201cMy spolu nechod\u00edme, m\u00e1m partnera a on m\u00e1 partnera tie\u017e.\u201d Dnes je to v\u00e4\u010d\u0161inou v pohode. Domnievam sa, \u017ee nikto neurobil viac pre homosexu\u00e1lov a pre boj s AIDS ako renomovan\u00ed umelci, napr\u00edklad filmom Philadelphia. Raz darmo. \u013dudia reaguj\u00fa na toho, kto je in\u00fd, z obavy a z r\u00f4znych \u010fal\u0161\u00edch d\u00f4vodov a v\u0161etko sa to pohybuje v oblasti citov, ve\u010f rozumom to ned\u00e1va zmysel. Reagujeme citovo. To znamen\u00e1, \u017ee mus\u00edm h\u013eada\u0165 adekv\u00e1tnu odpove\u010f, ke\u010f na m\u0148a niekto reaguje ako keby iracion\u00e1lne. Ale em\u00f3cie, aj ke\u010f nie s\u00fa racion\u00e1lne, nie s\u00fa v\u017edy len zl\u00e9 alebo len dobr\u00e9. S\u00fa to jednoducho em\u00f3cie&#8230; Mus\u00edm h\u013eada\u0165 vhodn\u00fd v\u00fdraz, spr\u00e1vny jazyk, ktor\u00e9mu \u201cten druh\u00fd, in\u00fd\u201d bude rozumie\u0165, na ktor\u00fd zaberie. Ke\u010f\u017ee reaguje emot\u00edvne, mus\u00edm aj ja n\u00e1js\u0165 jazyk emot\u00edvny. Verejnosti ide na nervy, ke\u010f sa sucho rozpr\u00e1va o legislat\u00edve a registrovanom partnerstve. A zrazu maj\u00fa \u013eudia pred sebou Toma Hanksa vo Philadelphii, homosexu\u00e1la, chor\u00e9ho na AIDS, a v\u0161etci slzia, v\u0161etci mu dr\u017eia palce. Ja osobne by som si zohnala peniaze a najala by som si kvalitn\u00fa profesion\u00e1lnu agent\u00faru, pre ktor\u00fa je to d\u017eob, a dala by som si t\u00fdmto sp\u00f4sobom vypracova\u0165 kampa\u0148. Od \u201chur\u00e1aktivizmu\u201d by som pre\u0161la k profesionalite. To je jedna vec. A druh\u00e1 vec \u2013 citovo \u201cvydiera\u0165\u201d zn\u00e1me heterosexu\u00e1lne osobnosti, aby nebolo vyhnutia, aby sa anga\u017eovali&#8230; Raz darmo, ke\u010f hovor\u00ed homosexu\u00e1l za homosexu\u00e1la, alebo \u017did za \u017dida, tak to je tak, ako hovoril m\u00f4j otec: \u201cAntisemitizmus nie je vec \u017didov, ale antisemitov, nech si to rie\u0161ia sami\u201d. Pam\u00e4t\u00e1m sa, \u017ee raz pri\u0161iel za otcom b\u00e1snik \u0160tevo \u017d\u00e1ry a povedal mu: \u201cRob s t\u00fdm nie\u010do!\u201d a m\u00f4j otec odpovedal: \u201dNo dovo\u013e, ty s t\u00fdm nie\u010do rob. To je va\u0161a vec.\u201d<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><strong>Nakoniec, aj my sme o tom presved\u010den\u00ed, \u017ee homosexualita nie je probl\u00e9m, probl\u00e9mom je homof\u00f3bia heterosexu\u00e1lnej spolo\u010dnosti.\u00a0<\/strong>Pani Szatm\u00e1ry, je toho e\u0161te ve\u013ea, \u010do n\u00e1s zauj\u00edma, a \u010do by ste n\u00e1m e\u0161te mohli porozpr\u00e1va\u0165, ale priestor v \u010dasopise nepust\u00ed. Tak sn\u00e1\u010f inokedy&#8230; \u010eakujeme a te\u0161\u00edme sa na v\u00e1s na jarnej prezent\u00e1cii Atrib\u00fatu.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><em><strong>V janu\u00e1ri 2002 sa pre <\/strong><\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/atribut.lesba.sk\/1\/\" target=\"_blank\"><em><strong>Atrib\u00fat<\/strong><\/em><\/a><em><strong> p\u00fdtali Hana F\u00e1bry a Ivan Po\u017egai<\/strong><\/em><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Pani Szatm\u00e1ry, mohli by ste n\u00e1m porozpr\u00e1va\u0165 nie\u010do o sebe a nad\u00e1cii, v ktorej p\u00f4sob\u00edte? Zauj\u00edmalo by ma va\u0161e rodinn\u00e9 pozadie a jeho s\u00favislos\u0165 s va\u0161ou citlivos\u0165ou na \u013eudsk\u00e9 pr\u00e1va, preto\u017ee Nad\u00e1cia Charty 77 a va\u0161a pr\u00e1ca v nej je orientovan\u00e1 pr\u00e1ve na ne. Rodina mal\u00e1. \u017diadna. V\u0161etci vyleteli hore kom\u00ednom, boli vystrie\u013ean\u00ed alebo sp\u00e1len\u00ed. 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